Not even a SINGLE Primaris unit mentioned at all? I agree. From Ryanair to BA, always know what size your hand luggage should be with our guide to European airline allowances on cabin baggage dimensions and weight. These fiber optic rings are based on top-of-the-line SDH and DWDM technologies for extremely fast data transfers, delivering high-quality local and international telecom services and helping ensure robust FTTx connectivity Kingdom wide. Can’t we just say “use the base size it currently is sold with” or “use what it came with from GW ” and call it a day? This is a long time coming. ITC Funders With support from funders and development partners, ITC works with policymakers, trade and investment support institutions (TISIs), exporters and other stakeholders in the public and private sectors to enable export success of SMEs in developing countries and transition economies. These terrain features are common at our events and not intended (or designed) for models to be placed on them (typically models cannot stand on them). So, your best bet is to ask your local TO’s if they plan on adopting it. It’s a good thing one can’t post gifs here, otherwise you’d feel the humiliating sting of an aesthetic, dour woman ringing a bell behind an old naked chick. Rules of thumb for writing research articles. However, there is some unclarity with regards to units that have both a Legends entry and a point cost in Chapter Approved, which has caused a lot of confusion. That’s not fair (btw: cut off yer damned ‘man buns’. 25mm Round (~1") - Standard base for 40k, the round that comes with marines, guardsmen, etc. Space Marines have not been sold with 25mm bases for MUCH longer than Ork Boyz have been (I believe it has only been the past 2 years for 32 mm Boyz being sold). The case pack limit is 150 units per case. A bike base could mean the long hot dogs, or the 25mmx50mm bases. Argh! Regarding obliterators, i have no issues with a bigger base for the last version (metal/finecast ones) is not a problem, but would they need need bulking up and out as the two new versions a bit taller and more dynamically posed? I’m not sure what your hesitation is on it. Genestealers being 25mm and Purestrain being 32mm. Can I get a clarification on the painting requirements. What isn’t permitted is having Blood Hands, Ultra Hands, and Raven Hands all in the same army, painted completely differently, but all being Iron Hands. The “battle ready” standard isn’t that difficult to accomplish – especially with contrast paint. I Guess If this is the new thing I’ll just be playing local only and saving that money from travel play. Oh man, this is funny! Did you read the chart or the article? Again, this is a deviation from the BRB but we choose to play them this way as much of the terrain we have has openings in them which (if played with true LoS) would not provide a sufficient amount of cover for a fun and fair 8th edition game of 40k. But I can tell you using the old Abby is for sure not OK as he is vastly smaller than the new model. The player in question will not be able to use these models until they at the minimum required standard. Super-fast broadband internet service aimed for residential and small and medium business customers over ITC. Seems like more effort could be used on those things instead of annoying people that actually hobby scenic bases. Ha! This effectively increases the range of their Aura abilities by 14mm and is clearly a gameplay advantage. I’m I guess a little relieved. Bikers: 75x42mm oval (as with Deathwatch Biker Box/Kill Team Cassius) or 70×25 “pill”. I don’t see a ticket for you. Can I use Yriel as an Autarch? ITC Code of Conduct. Do you not mind model height being altered? ITC is the organization that changed the game enough by being independent and popular to force GW back into the realm of actual caring about its tournament customer needs, and now you are throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I’m all for the painting guidelines but as many others have mentioned the basing guidelines are just a mess. The “Techpriest Enginseer 1” from GW (plastic) comes on a 32mm. Thanks! So everytime people bump a table my stealers and horms always fell over and rolled around on 25s. I believe I've finally settled on my first list. A few things in the long run a larger field of secondary businesses based on GW’s game should keep GW, secondary and tertiary business based on GW’s games, and the game itself more healthy. Flamers of Tzeentch – Should be on 32mm Round Great Unclean One – Should be on 130mm Round But it would be great if the table variants could have measurements distances similar to objective markers on major terrain pieces if they’re going to all be relatively uniform. It’s beautiful and functional and there’s a lot of coverage on those tables and it means we reach VASTLY more people than we could on our own which is better for growing the hobby, getting more eyeballs on competitive 40k, etc. Now for the beginning of 2020, I think it would be a lot more reasonable to rip off that band-aid the rest of the way. Is ITC, as a format, showing its limits? Please join us in the Warhammer community Discord by clicking here. (Small numbers of models, non-close combat units). Perhaps taking a more lenient and common sense approach and have it be legal to use the two most recent base sizes? I know this is hard to understand, being an ork player. To qualify to play in the finals, not only must you meet the above criteria you must also have an army that satisfies our streaming requirements and you must use the dice we provide. I have an LVO beer cozy, but what?! Hey everyone, Reecius here with the guidelines for the LVO 2020 40k Champs! I mean, I understand pitchers were always there (a gallon), but that was meant to be shared. We’ll see if GW has another terrain set they can bring but it’s not easy or cheap to so that. all Night Lords=Word Bearers (or whatever combo). Which rule is that please? Infernal Enraptruress – Should be on 60x35mm Oval I’m sure you guys are bogged down with even more questions following this announcement, thanks for all your hard work. Shame, sir. Yeah, it is pretty big. Thanks! [–]TheRealLemonman 15 points16 points17 points 2 years ago (2 children). The A-Z guide online. And why do you insist that I expend effort? As it doesn’t appear you’re going to the LVO, this has no impact on you. Models that come with multiple base options in the box (jetbikes?) https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd9YOogQuJDKvgHvshhGX3HS0Cav8Ci1N2nb22CLz3JLJG73w/viewform?usp=sf_link, Dark Angels Codex Supplement Review- Stratagems. It was a part of the limited run when GW was releasing re-packaged deathwatch bikers and ravenwing command squad boxes with 75mmx42mm oval bases before they pulled them from stock. AoS did it, and it is a much better game because of it. I also think you’re right that most people don’t care and it’s just a few of us tryhards. Is there a reason that the Squad Marks are considered an acceptable form of distinguishing bases, but rubber bands are not? But is it the right thing to do? I was one of the people in the previous news post asking you about them so thank you for taking our feedback into account. Get an ad-free experience with special benefits, and directly support Reddit. No quads listed (60mm) This causes frustrating model placements and abuses of the wobbly model guidance, and is not the intent of how our terrain is meant to be used, and is the reason why this rule is in effect. (need an eyeroll emoticon here). Determine the time limit to claim ITCs. The cut-off for new rules material for the LVO 2020 40k Champs will be the 11th of January, 2020. ITC owns 10 metro-fiber rings spanning all major cities. What all of this really boils down to though, is having better terrain rules. He's fine using 25mm bases, the only statement on bases by Gee Dubs was a recommendation to use the bases that the kits came with. The first time someone makes one, it takes 5-6 hours. Am I now expected to buy another to hold one of these larger servings outta some wider based, marketed – to -millennials mega can?! Primus comes on 25mm base not 32mm If models have a required base size, it should be listed in their stats. The ITC is ruining America! It opens it up to people being unscrupulous with what they do. When you go to buy bases in the GW website, there is no base called a bike base. and join one of thousands of communities. I think we all know which way they’re supposed to centered but how far away are the walls supposed to be from the long and table edge. Solid Bases. No Brood Brothers of any kind listed (25mm for Infantry; 60mm for HWTs). If you see one where the kit comes with multiple base sizes as with Seekers, we appreciate you letting us know so we can update it. Yep my biggest takeaway was that adepticon is actually the only known body enforcing, and if someone wants to enforce their requirement needs to be codified in a document that lists all models and the base size. Thanks and have a merry Christmas! All Rights Reserved. Special Offer for Royal Commission of Yanbu I am however, patiently (kinda, trying to be!) I had meant to do it last year but logistically trying to pull each table out, get a picture of it, then print that, laminate it and distribute it in an event as big as LVO proved to be more than I had time to do. We included a few pictures to help illustrate these concepts. I would suggest splitting up the factions so that it isn’t “Imperium”. No Biophagus listed (25mm) Will you be continuing that policy? Long story short, for a big event, going all GW isn’t realistic unless you had a way to get the labor taken care of efficiently and very cheaply. Oblits on the right size base are probably fine as they’re close in size but to be safe I’d at least glue an extra gun (or whatever) on their shoulders to make their profile taller to avoid any potential issues with claims of modeling for advantage. But now, there is a huge difference in how many Orks can make it into CC with the base changes. Can you explain the logic of why Space Marines get to stay on 25 mm bases, but Ork Boyz are required to move up to 32? Feculent Gnarlmaw- As per the model I was saying I disagree to Anthony Coutley that everything should be on the most recent base. Will be up to the event , GW won't make a comment on it more than likely (as they never have). Subtle but important difference. You go and buy the most recent box, and whatever base is in that box is the only legal one. When in doubt, send in pictures for approval. Big thanks to Val Heffelfinger for providing pictures of an acceptable method for using colored rubber bands around the model’s base and not on the model itself. Skullmaster – Should be 90x52mm Oval (This one is weird, since it’s on a bloood crusher and should be the same base as a crusher, but the only one that exists is the old finecast one on a 60mm – but I would still put it on the same base as a bloodcrusher for consistency) I would at least allow purestrain the option between the two, as its same issue that carnifex on surfboard has. I’m having to redo them? This is for windows or openings that are fully enclosed, not partially open on one side. It is currently not sold with a base and I think that that RW set may have been the only time it actually had a base as you noted from what I can tell in my research. Or play in the Friendly or the Narrative that has more relaxed standards which may be more suited to what your idea of fun is. ITC Portal is the official website of ITC Limited, one of India's foremost private sector companies with diversified presence in FMCG, Hotels, Paperboards and Specialty Papers, Packaging, Agri Business and Information Technology Parts 5 to 11 of the Rules apply to all insurances. It's understanding and playing within a rule set and attempting to be as competitive as possible within that structure. I know last year we had spoken about enclosed ruins and how there weren’t any in the top tables or at least far fewer than at the event overall. Yes. I am glad you work with people to find replacement models but then doesn’t that run up against the painting requirements for an army? Subscribe to our e-mail newsletter to receive updates. First, you do not have to buy Squad Marks. The two princelings from Overkill are the only two stealers with 32mm base I’ve ever heard about. I know the big overkill boxset had two stealers on 32s but otherwise don’t these units pretty much share the same kit that currently ships with just 25mm slotters? And I hope the sponsors of those ugly plastic clippers bought you a really nice pool, after the rubber band sponsors denied you. player ranked number 9, then 10, etc.). Your Certificate of Entry may contain additional terms or vary these Rules. It’s really not as simple as you make it sound in practice. There is a big difference from some armies like orks which can abuse the 25mm thing by getting 4 ranks in rather than 2 into close combat and being able to cram large horde armies into tight places. We will be playing ITC Champion’s Missionsnumbered 1 through 6 for the LVO 2020 40k Championships in order from 1 through 6. All boxes with the same product must contain equal quantities of that product in each box. Once it is, you can remove the old option and move to the new option. and the terrain rules changes in the current edition. If the base isn’t available 1 month before, then the event will allow both. 2. This hoopla is all about updating base sizes? No Locus listed (32mm) I am hoping to be able to do it this year but with moving and everything I don’t want to commit to it as I simply may not have the time. If I played Orks, I wouldn’t want to have to sort through Dark Eldar stuff. Be’lakor – Should be on 60mm Round I think it was last year you guys had mentioned putting together a list of the “table variants”. It is possible that other tournaments will move in this direction since Ork Boyz will probably force a change. It gets super confusing for the other player. I’d hardly call it a mess though, it’s easily fixed and I already have fixed most of the Daemon section. However, if you have a custom color scheme that can’t be identified as an “official” First Founding color scheme, you can play any rules you want. For what it’s worth, the 80mm is the ONLY base that actually came with any attack bikes ever. No Kelermorph listed (32mm) Yeah, good points. GST ITC rule 49 speaks about order in which these credits be used. Treat them as impassible terrain. Reece, I disagree with many of the modeling and basing points but I can understand why you want it that way (as you stated above), it has to look good to gather viewers and sponsors. I had the same opinion initially, that it was awful but transitioning my Marines up to 32s and my AoS armies to rounds, it’s NBD. Questions or feedback for the mod team? None of that is valid criticism in any way shape or form. All in all, it feels like a give and take, and no matter what you choose it doesn't make or break your games. Let me repeat that if you have non GW models and make the finals you will NOT be allowed to continue and your spot will be given to the next qualifier in line that does have all GW models. Usage of terms “narrow bike base” and “large bike base”: sorry, but for example my Deathwatch Bikers have had three different base sizes, and what I might call the “large” might not be what you call it. thank you! and it sucked. Sub-rule (4) of rule 36 prescribes that the ITC to be availed by a registered person in respect of invoices or debit notes, the details of which have not been uploaded by the suppliers under sub-section (1) of section 37, shall not exceed 20 per cent. Terrain pieces such as the one above lacks any doors and is not intended to be entered into. No argument here. We treat Cargo Containers as hills for all intents and purposes. With overkill being OOP also, just seems like an unnecessary requirement to be on 32s. ITC Champion’s Missions. As for the new Seraphim, I’m not a fan of the clear plastic stands and was planning on basing them by jumping off of various structures (light post, phone booth etc). You will upload your list in the ITC format for BCP, Players that have not uploaded their list correctly within that time frame will be issued a Yellow Card according to the, Players that have not uploaded their list correctly by. Excited for class when it comes back. What's the best disruption ability in your army? If in doubt, discuss it with your opponent prior to playing the game and, of course, you can always call a judge. And if your models aren’t fit for streaming we go out of our way to try and find substitutions. Will it make some people mad. Rule 2 violations are ineligible for appeal. If and when GW makes 32mm slotta then I could see them moving to that (or just redoing the kit to not need a slot. Worse than hippies, but I digress). This has already been addressed in the thread, Brian. Clear acrylic bases or bases left or painted black are acceptable as well so long as you consistently do this across your entire army. Hey Reece, how come you don’t do everything perfect the first time, every time? About a week ago we had a similar thread: https://old.reddit.com/r/WarhammerCompetitive/comments/9wpeu0/base_size_lots_of_opinions_out_there_but_any/. Just like magic boxes have made their way everywhere. People can bring and play with 3rd party minis, it’s just the stream table that has restrictions. Of course. Example: the Knight in the picture below can actually walk into the Ruin in question and can therefore enter into it as it is not moving “through” the walls. Let us know if you have any questions in the comments section below and we look forward to hosting you at the biggest and best LVO yet! So, I was counting on crowd sourcing some of it to an extent as asking volunteers to go through thousands of units to log their base size is a big ask. (self.WarhammerCompetitive). I’d enjoy it more if the terrain got shuffled around a bit every game. •warboss on bike is unlisted, ***correction- just saw the big mek listing, the rest stands tho. Burning Chariot – Rename to 120x92mm Oval The ITC is a26 percent tax creditfor solar systems on residential (under Section 25D) and commercial (under Section 48) properties. It’s just like chess clocks. Has an Autarch on foot with a 32mm base ever even been sold? I have yet to see them (and boxes on GW website have 25mm in their info, same for this year’s Christmas Nid bundle). If its up to the player, im cool with that, just wanna know. SNFN offers massive bandwidth capacity, allowing ITC to … Hey Reece, thanks for being lenient with the howling banshees and other 28mm base models that have been recently released by GW. [–]Epitometric 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children). My opinion is how dare you tell me that I’ve been hobbying wrong while pretending it is for the ease of opponents while providing an alternative to regiment distinction that requires me to buy a product from someone who sponsors the LVO which DOES mean you’re making money from them. Hopefully all ITC events don’t adopt this, but I know they will as they always blindly just do what ever is released as the new thing to do. We’re far more lenient than they are. Well, not to mock you but your response is comically disproportionate to what’s hapenning here. It’s better to be clear and specific. This is a lame rule. Failure to comply with these rulings will result in a judge removing said models from the game, even in the middle of a game. In fact, I don’t think any non FW units come on an 80? For me it is the Bonesinger that i wanna use, it is both in legends and the new Chapter Approved? Have fun and enjoy what is meant to be a diversion from serious stuff. Consider reading this article by u/MagicJuggler about rules lawyering, and understand how it is used in a competitive mindset. But to move towards a fair and level playing field, these types of things become necessary even if they do cause some inconveniences. And on the stream, we use GW terrain and tiles. •big mek with kff is unlisted Just remember you (among others) forced GW out of their shell, please do not let them drag you back in with them. now to have those tables each have 2 of the ruins in the center which makes a big difference (there are 100 of those tables). They were nice enough to let us use it but some of it is a little dated as you noted. Allowing in multiple base sizes while nice in theory because it can make people happier is just a bad patch job. Is there a general terrain “Layout” we should be aiming for at the LVO tables? Soulgrinder – As per the model. Warhammer Age of Sigmar ase Sizes 2 BASE SIZES – CHAOS BEASTS OF CHAOS UNIT BASE SIZE Beastlord 32mm Bestigors 32mm Bullgors 50mm Centigors 60 x 35mm Chaos Gargant 90 x 52mm Chaos Warhounds 60 x 35mm Chimera 120 x 92mm Cockatrice 60mm Cygor 120 x 92mm Doombull 50mm Dragon Ogor Shaggoth 90 x 52mm Dragon Ogors 90 x 52mm Ghorgon 120 x 92mm Gors 32mm … From a watching on stream perspective it’s kind of dull seeing games played on the same table over and over again. No Clamavus listed (32mm) It’s actually disadvantageous for marines (especially characters) to be on smaller bases, so complaining about people being able to cripple themselves is just hilarious. I’m sure it will be fixed in time for the tournament but just wanted to let you know. Why do you care so much, lol? Legends, as a whole, are not allowed. And yeah, I knew this was point to be a massive PITA but as GW isn’t doing it it fell to the community to do it for ourselves. If that’s a deal breaker for you, well then OK. Very constructive criticism, I’m sure they’ll miss you. awaiting news on To-Be-Released Sisters models rules for LVO. I spot checked everything and caught a few errors but you have remember, this is covering a lot of ground. 2014 Las Vegas Open Warmachine and Hordes Events and Results! I think this is one area you could absolutely do the same thing. The player in question will not be able to use these models until they at the minimum required standard. Oh. Shalaxi Helbane – Should be on 100mm Round But with base extenders you can make them function in most cases. It did open the door for the ITC to become what it has become ironically, but I don’t want to go back to that at all. We built this off of what the ETC had as starting from scratch with the time and manpower available to us was not realistic. In age of sigmar this year they did it when they released generals handbook 2018 which is essentially the AOS version of CA. Yep I saw that after I posted but could not figure out how to delete my post. No Santcus listed (32mm) Weigh in on my decision- part 2 Dreadnought Boogaloo! See ya when we see ya, I guess. Food on the table! Yeah, it’s very difficult to tell if something is Chinacast once it’s painted. I would strongly advise taking a look at the chaos daemons in particular. Tear the band aid off. Like, hundreds and hundreds of them, haha. You are a bit off about GW painting rules at Warhammer World, and only feel.the need to correct you as you are, to some people, an authority on competitive Warhammer. No bikes listed (small oval bike base; 32x60mm) I also don’t like having the final table be all GW terrain as it’s kind of like having the final game of march madness with 10.5 foot basketball hoops. There are weird discrepancies from GW to try to enforce that. Per the GW website, ol’ psyker boy just comes with a 40mm base now. I appreciate your going over this but please also remember the people helping are not my employees, they are volunteers. ITC has initiated some significant board-level changes, fuelling fresh speculation about its succession plans. Epidemius – Should be 60mm Round (also should remove and heralds of nurlgle on palanquins – I don’t believe this is even an option in this edition at all Row 29 Inquisition shows Infantry, Scion etc as a unit. List posts should include the following minimum requirements: Self promotion and sharing of your own content is allowed, however we heavily encourage content creators to engage with the Community in the comments section when sharing their own content. We’ve had the policy of using the right sized models in place since 5th ed, so it’s nothing new. For whatever reason, there are some models that are getting different base sizes depending on which box that is still on the shelves that you buy them in (or so I’ve heard about the carnifex), and other weird situations like where one or two models from an entire range haven’t been updated to match the rest of the army. In fact, I’ve had many opponents tell me they appreciated that I took the time to put bands on my models so they can tell the squads apart easily from a long distance. For example, the LVO stream last year was the biggest there’s ever been for tabletop minis by a mile, we had over 100,000 unique viewers and 13,000 concurrent during the finals. Why you chose the units you chose and your gameplan for those units (note: "these are the models I have" is not a game plan), A description of the meta or tournament mission packet you are building the list to play, An explanation of what advice you are seeking and what you want help with (ie, "does this list have enough mid board presence, do I need more screening, am I boned if I run against a mech list" etc), We are a small but active mod team, with families and full time jobs in addition to the passion we share for this game and hobby; we. Competitive games can get intense, but this is still a game - be excellent to each other. FLG, the ITC and the New 40k Play Surface Size Posted on June 5, 2020 by Reecius in 40K , News Alright, the cat is finally out of the bag on the table size thing so we can actually speak somewhat freely about it. Now see, this size thing is really sloppy. The thing is frontage has reduced by 25% effectively (100mm fits 3 instead of 4 minis), but you can get 4 rows in still. 40k needs this really really badly, just like AoS has one. Also, what about Custodes? All products in a box must have matching SKU and condition and must have been packaged together by the manufacturer. And you may not like it, which is fine, but we made what we felt was the best compromise we could. You can also use the same time frame for events to do this as you do for new material. A few things you may want to recheck for the Imperium tab. You can read the LVO/ITC General Terrain Guidelines here. Is it the one in Terminator Armor? We have a type of Ruin at our events that is not commonly seen and so requires some extra explanations. Newsletter. But no, they’re not giving me anything and even if they did it would hardly buy a pool, not even a kiddie pool, lol. It feels like this and a bunch of other requirements are in reality being forced on players just to accommodate GW’s official steam, even though the corporate stream does nothing to benefit anyone who is actually showing up, playing, and paying to attend the event. 3. Maybe next year, but again, I’m not rebasing, so I’d either go all Daemon princes or just find a way to be competitive without my characters. Bloodthirsters- Rename to 120x92mm Oval (in fact, I would list all three with their specific names as specific entries), These are the incorrect Options: – be aware that some of these were just plain wrong, and were not actually on the base sizes listed at all in the past so shouldn’t be options at all IMO. What expressly is not allowed is to have multiple different and conflicting paint and basing schemes and to play them all as the same faction.